., micro biology. center for science in the public interest, a nonprofit public health advocacy association with over 8,000 members. cofounder and executive director 33 years and currently. author, numerous books, including "restaurant confidential," "marketing madness," and "what are we feeding our kids?" hobbies, photography biking, michael faraday jacobsson. >> what is the current thinking on alcohol? >> in small amounts can be ok. >> can be or will be? >> can be. not necessarily will be. and people shouldn't start drinking to reduce the risk of heart disease. >> how about two four-ounce glasses much wine a day? sound about right? >> to me it sounds like a lot. but -- >> i'm giving you what comes right out of the literature. two beers a day, four ounces of hard liquor. >> it could be ok. >> unless you've got active liver disease or pang key i tights. >> tendency to alcoholism. people should not -- >> is it not not true, doctors, the medical profession in this country did a coverup for years and year